“In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings.” Jude 1:8
We have spent the last several posts talking about the signals that indicate a “secret-slipper-inner” has taken up residence in a church. Those signals are reiterated here in verse 8. If you missed the discussion, it can be found here:
What I want to talk about today is not what behavior typifies the “secret-slipper-inner” but how they managed to become a danger to the church in the first place.
The Bible in Jude 1:8 calls the “secret-slipper-inner” a dreamer or according to the KJV a “filthy dreamer”. The Greek expression is “houtos kai enypniazomai-” roughly translated that is “the men who are beguiled by their sensual dreams.”
Do you remember this song?
This is a perfect example of “houtos kai enypniazomai-“.
Sometimes when we think of “filthy dreams” we think of those dreams we wake up from saying “Wow I am glad that I really didn’t do that.” But Jude isn’t talking about some dream we have because we haven’t guarded our hearts properly or because we ate crazy before bed (how could he be our night time dreams are not generally under our control and these filthy dreamers are very clearly making conscious choices). When Jude speaks of filthy dreamers he is talking about people who have chosen a mindset that leads to unbelief, rebellion and sexual promiscuity because it disregards God altogether. Paul identified it when he wrote: “For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.” Romans 1:21-24 NIV
Our culture is rife with the idea that all religions are equal…all roads lead to Heaven…there are many paths one destination…that we should
What we have to realize is that this is not a God dream. God is not for freedom of religion. Jesus did not create many paths to Heaven. God is not discovered in all gods. Heaven is only open to those who will repent of their sin and accept Jesus as the only son of God crucified and raised back to life on the third day!
Now, to some “tolerant” ears this message may sound harsh and rather unloving or un- good- newsish; But then it’s not our good news. It’s God’s good news.
The good news was never meant to be that “all roads lead to Heaven.”
It was always “Hey I’ve made A ROAD! TAKE IT!”
I suppose in the days ahead we are going to hear a lot more of the “all roads” jargon. I imagine we will even be pushed to accept it. All who press us in this direction are “houtos kai enypniazomai-“.
It’s definitely God’s good news, and I agree there aren’t many roads leading to Heaven, only one–Jesus. Can I just ask one question? (besides that one) Do you honestly believe a sex dream–I’m thinking in terms of infrequent occurrences, not chronic–result from “not guarding our hearts properly”? Dreams, while sleeping, are just dreams… God bless you–love, sis Caddo
I wonder about it myself. Martin Luther once said “You can’t stop the birds of the air from flying over your head but you can stop them from nesting in your hair.” I think perhaps there are many different kinds of birds which can fly overhead. Some our birds of our own making. Some arrive on the scene because we lhave left a window open through carelessness or exposure. Some are birds we have kept trapped deep inside by our hurt or fear and others have nothing to do with us at all…they are dark birds of another feather if you know what I mean. This is a good question. How would you answer it?
I draw a distinction between “infrequent occurrences” and “chronic”. My concern, when I read what you wrote, is that there are people (I’m one) who are apt to obsess needlessly–worry and fret that their infrequent “wild hair” sex dream means they’re walking in wayward rebellion/disobedience/sin, when they are NOT. People know when they’re willfully opening the windows and doors to the enemy’s dark birds–they don’t need a dream to tell them. Consider the young people, with hormones flying around 24/7–they don’t need the added guilt, if they’re doing nothing wrong, just having a dream. I used to have occasional dreams of killing my mother–but I wasn’t plotting that during my waking hours. And she lived a plenty long life. Freud, who was certainly not a Christian believer, insisted dreams were either a “wish” or a “fear”–he never made allowance that it could be the 2 chili dogs and half a chocolate cake you ate before bed. That’s all I’m saying.
These are good points Sis. I agree with you and I am sorry I was unclear. What I was saying so awkwardly was that while many of us think a filthy dreamer is anyone who has dreams of doing sinful things this was not Jude’s meaning at all. IN fact Jude isn’t even talking about dreams we have while we are asleep he is speaking about conscious intentionally fostered mindsets. Like you I believe that for the most part we are not responsible for our night time dreams. While at times they can be helpful in formulating where our heads are at they can just as easily be the product of pizza, as you said.
Thank you too Sis for pointing out my use of language. I have gone back to do some restructuring!
I wondered where this kind of thinking came from, Pastor J. Thank you for sharing God’s good news with us! God bless you as you stay on the road!
Thanks for commenting Deb! I hope this study is bringing you closer to the Savior!
Thank you, Pastor J for bring us God’s good news. Lord, help me to witness to others of God’s good news, for there is only one road to Heaven. A-men!
With so many voices – even voices of authority – crying out in shades of grey that everyone has a right to believe whatever they like and do whatever they like, as long as parties are consensual and no one is hurt, I am burdened for our young people. At school and everywhere they go they hear cries for tolerance and acceptance and ‘rights’ and nothing is black and white.
May all blood-bought, adopted children of the living God stand up and be counted, and never be afraid to speak up for the Truth of God.
Time is running out. We are one day closer!
Amen Angela! We must speak the truth in love but loudly! Time is indeed short!
Not all religions necessarily lead to God, but only compassion, mercy, forgiveness, etc. can lead to God.
It is true Noel. It is God’s compassion, mercy and forgiveness that led me to Him. The good news is that Jesus Christ in his mercy, grace and compassion came looking for me! He did not have to. My sin made me guilty and worthy of eternal damnation; But my God had mercy on me and made a pathway to Him through the atoning death of Jesus Christ. Jesus took the punishment that was slated for me and gave me his reward! As Paul wrote in Ephesians “It is not by works of righteousness that I have done but according to His mercy He has saved us!” The only thing I had to do was trust in the only Son of God, Jesus Christ to save me!
Hey, Pastor J–thanks for clearing that up for me. Maybe with the birthday coming, and all, I was just too dweebish to get that it had nothing to do with “sleep dreams”. And it’s very possible I’ve met too many of “those kind of Christians” who spend their days sowing fear and guilt, instead of grace and JOY. So, now I’m in total agreement with you–it’s bad business to be dreaming up/scheming up things that are Not of God; nope, wouldn’t be prudent a’tall! Thanks so much for allowing back and forth discussion here–I really appreciate it! God bless you big–love, sis Caddo
No you were absolutely right Sis. I was unclear and careless in my wording. Thank you for the question. I actually went back and did a little rerwrite! 😉
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